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Q:
Often, liberals (myself included)
accuse conservatives of hypocrisy because
they are pro-life and yet support the
death penalty. As a Catholic, I have
a hard time responding to similar accusations--that
I am a hypocrite because I do not support
the death penalty yet consider myself
pro-choice. What are your thoughts on
this? I need a comeback!
A:
There is a difference between a fetus
that cannot survive on its own, and
an autonomous human being. I find
the pro-choice, anti-death penalty
positions consistent because both
support the value of the individual,
and both oppose the state's power
over the individual--whether to make
decisions about our reproductive lives,
or the length of our lives.
However, I also think the Catholic,
patriarchal position is consistent
in a different way. There, the crucial
thing seems to be not what is decided
but who decides. Thus, the state may
take a life in capital punishment
or war, but for the individual to
control reproduction is subversive.
This also makes more sense of the
Catholic Church's historic position:
it allowed abortion up to the mid
1800's and even regulated it; a female
fetus could be aborted for a greater
number of weeks than could a male
fetus. (It was wrongly thought that
a male fetus "quickened" earlier,
thus sex could be determined.) This
was changed at the demand of Napolean
III who wanted to increase the French
population which had been decimated
by war. He struck a bargain with Pope
Pius IX--who wanted Napolean to support
the Doctrine of Papal Infallibility.
Thus, Catholic opposition to abortion
doesn't seem to have been based on
ensoulment or when life began, but
a need to increase population. (Even
The Bible makes clear that a man who
strikes a women and causes her to
lose her pregnancy has not committed
murder. Thus a fetus is not a person.)
Q:
How do you feel the issue of abortion
is represented by the Democratic Party?
A:
It's represented pretty well in terms
of voting. For instance, in the 104th
Congress out of 47 Democratic US Senators,
38 were pro-choice (meaning they have
a 100% pro-choice voting record or
they support one or two restrictions
like parental notification and a 24
hour waiting period). Of the 53 Republican
Senators, only 6 were pro-choice and
47 were anti-choice. (*The 105th Congress
looks pretty much the same in terms
of Republican and Democratic breakdowns.
For a general overview, choice should
be represented in the following way
come January, 1997: In the Senate
there will be 44 who are pro-choice;
5 who are mixed-on-choice and 51 who
are anti-choice. In the House of Representatives
there will be 158 pro-choice representatives;
38 who are mixed-on-choice; and 233
who are anti-choice. There are still
6 races to be decided.) However, in
both parties, there is more opposition
to the issues of reproductive freedom
than there is in the public at large.
That's true in the Republican party
because of its control by rightwing
extremists, especially the religious
right. (Though the majority of Republicans
are pro-choice, the Party Platform
supports a Constitutional Amendment
to confer personhood on the fertilized
egg--thus equating abortion with murder.)
But it's also true among some Democrats,
because the anti-choice minority of
Americans often turns out a bigger
proportion of their voters than does
the pro-choice majority.
Even when Democrats vote right, they
often don't know how to talk about
the issue, and therefore fail to get
the full benefit of their overwhelming
majority support. To help remedy this,
Voters For Choice has prepared
an excellent guide for candidates
and individuals alike: Winning
With Choice. To order: contact
Voters For Choice,
PO Box 53301, Washington, DC 20040-5301;
#202-588-5200.
Q:
What do you think of Clinton's veto
of the bill that would have penalized
doctors who perform "partial birth"
abortions? Do you have any qualms about
this barbaric practice?
A:
First of all, it isn't a "partial
birth" abortion. As the 35,000 members
of the American College of Obstetricians
and Gynecologists wrote in a letter
to Dole last year, when he was still
majority leader of the Senate, "in
defining what medical procedures doctors
may or may not perform, HR1833 [the
bill banning third trimester abortions,
even to preserve a woman's health]
employs terminology that is not even
recognized in the medical community--demonstrating
why Congressional opinion should never
be substituted for professional medical
judgment... The College finds very
disturbing that Congress would take
any action that would supersede the
medical judgment of trained physicians
and criminalize medical procedures
that may be necessary to save the
life of the woman."
Second, there are about 600 of these
a year, and they are performed only
when there is a risk to the woman's
life or health and/or a severe fetal
anomaly that would not allow the fetus
to function or survive. If this procedure
were needed by someone in the families
of those who voted to ban it, I suspect
that everyone of them--including Dole--would
want it to be available. If it were
illegal, they could fly to other countries
to have this procedure--as the average
patient could not.
Therefore, I'm proud of President
Clinton for having listened not only
to the medical profession, but also
to individual women who have had this
procedure--several of whom were anti-abortion
until they discovered that they might
otherwise risk life, health and future
fertility to give birth to a child
who could not survive.
I think that you, too, would rather
make your own decisions with your
doctor than have politicians vote
on them--and have to accept their
dictates. All women ask of you--or
of Congress--is what you or the members
of Congress would be likely to want
for yourselves. (If anyone would like
copies of the stories of women who
have actually had this rare procedure,
let me know where to send them.)
Q:
First I want to say that I admire you
and respect what you have done for the
women's movement in the past. I think
it takes people like you to change things.
A catalyst so to speak. One thing that
bothers me greatly however is that whenever
the subject of women comes up it is
insinuated that women are a homogenous
group...pro-choice, democrat, pro-gay/lesbian,
etc. It bothers me when the press refers
to women as if they all think and vote
alike. I especially see a frank ignoring
of the fact that there are conservative
women out there who are not right wing
zealots and heretics as the press likes
to paint conservatives. My question
to you is this: I know you are pro choice.
Have you ever had doubts about your
position as you have gotten older (and
wiser?) Have you ever had a moment of
doubt when you have said to yourself
"what if this is really wrong?" "what
if we are held accountable at some point?"
I know as I've aged, things that were
once very black and white for me have
turned somewhat gray. As a pro-life
woman, I have often had moments when
I have thought "maybe it just all doesn't
matter. Maybe we are just blobs of protoplasm..."
Just wondered if the same ever happens
to you on the pro choice side? Thank
you.
A:
I agree that the media's treatment
of the gender gap makes women seem
all alike. In fact, African American
women are the most likely to support
issues of equality, single and college-educated
women come next, and by the time you
get to white married women, the gender
gap is very narrow. I also don't think
"conservative" and "liberal" mean
much when applied to the sexual and
racial caste systems. (I always think
of my friend who said that she'd been
married to one Marxist and one fascist,
and neither one took the garbage out.)
In fact, being pro-choice is a classically
conservative position that most Republicans
share: against government interference
in the reproductive lives of citizens.
I've never doubted being pro-choice
because it protects your choice as
well as mine. Being pro-choice means
going to the same lengths to protect
a woman from being coerced into having
an abortion as to keep abortion safe
and legal. (An early pro-choice activity
was opposing the coerced sterilization
of Hispanic women in California, and
winning informed-consent guidelines
in both English and Spanish.) I do
think "pro-abortion" was the wrong
term--since everyone would like to
reduce the necessity of abortion.
I prefer reproductive freedom--the
freedom to have as well as not to
have children.
I appreciate the openness of spirit
in your question. I hope that you
would support my choice, as well as
your own. And in any case, we could
work together for contraception and
sex education that would diminish
the necessity of abortion.
Q:
I think its important that Dole not
be elected, and therefore will vote
for Clinton. How can I support Clinton,
and still "punish" him for signing
the homophobic Defense of Marriage
Act?
A:
I don't know if there is a realistic
way to punish him other than writing--and
publicizing exactly how you feel and
exactly why it is so unjust for the
government to deny marital benefits.
Obviously, it's a bias like the ban
in some states on interracial marriage
that lasted into the 1960's.
As the Human
Rights Campaign, Congressman Barney
Frank, and many other gay and lesbian
leaders have pointed out, however,
Dole and the rightwing sponsored DOMA
for the express purpose of taking
gay support away from Clinton. They
knew he couldn't sign onto a measure
that had so little public support
unlike the Employment Non-Discrimination
Act, the first federal gay civil rights
statute, which Clinton did support.
I think we need to spend the next
four years educating and expanding
public support, and also chipping
away at such non-federal areas as
getting health, housing, and insurance
for domestic partnership, and the
right of same-gender couples to be
custodial parents. Here in New York,
we also had a high-spirited mass wedding
ceremony of gay and lesbian couples,
with the leaders of many churches
officiating. Perhaps as the first
President to appoint open gays and
lesbians to the highest levels, and
to support gay rights policies in
health and employment, there will
be the right moment to try again.
Q:
If Bill Clinton is reelected but the
Democrats don't take the House back,
what will be the implications for the
promises he made regarding the welfare
bill?
A:
Clinton has made clear that he can
and will rectify some of its worst
measures through a combination of
executive order and line-item veto.
(When it comes through for appropriations,
the line-item veto would allow him
to get rid of some of its ridiculous
rightwing ideas; for instance, spending
$250 million to teach abstinence to
pregnant women.) But that won't change
the legislation's fundamental problem
of putting a five-year limit on the
cumulative time an individual can
rely on welfare (thus assuming that
in five years, good jobs will miraculously
appear and children's needs will miraculously
disappear); throwing children on the
mercy of state legislatures (which
are the most special-interest controlled
of all our various forms of government)
failing to help biological parents
in the important social job of childrearing.
With Clinton as the first President
who knows what its like to be the
son of a single mother with no economic
resources, we have a chance of re-fashioning
welfare reform in a way that is more
compassionate and realistic. For instance,
we pay more to keep someone in prison
than we would to send that person
to Harvard. Why not spend a little
more in the early years, and help
children of welfare to grow into productive
citizens? The fact that we have a
higher percentage of our citizenry
on welfare than any other democracy
in the world - and a higher percentage
of our citizens in jail than any other
country in the world - are related.
Even without Newt Gingrich and Bob
Dole in punitive Congressional leadership,
we will still have to work like crazy
to educate about what welfare is really
like and who's really on it. More
of the estimated 70 million people
who were on welfare at some time in
their lives will have to stand up
and be counted. That may be the only
way to get rid of this ridiculous
idea that the average recipient is
a black teenage girl who has children
in order to be generously kept by
the government. (In fact, most people
on welfare are white, and our welfare
payments are the lowest in the world.)
It's a return to the idea that poverty
is the fault of the poor - perhaps
even a genetic fault - that hasn't
been around since the work houses
for the poor in the 19th century.
But Clinton did come to Washington
wanting to invest $11 billion more
in the "social capital" of people
now abandoned to welfare - and he
did veto two welfare "reform" bills
that were even worse than this one
- so we have reason to believe that
he's not happy with this current bill
that cuts $55 billion, and punishes
welfare recipients in many other ways.
I believe he should have vetoed this
bill, too. No matter who is there,
we have to keep the pressure on. As
Franklin Roosevelt said "We cannot
be content, no matter how high the
general [American] standard of living
may be, if some fraction of our people
- whether it be one-third or one-fifth
or one-tenth - is ill-fed, ill-clothed,
ill-housed or insecure." But as he
also said to a group of citizens who
came to lobby him, "You've convinced
me - now go out and force me to do
it." (For more about the realities
of welfare and what to do about them,
see The Tyranny of Kindness
by Theresa Funiciello, Atlantic Monthly
Press. It's good ammunition for the
fight that will have to be waged after
the election at a state or a federal
level - or both.)
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